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Confuing "l" glyph in Radon #183

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tryoxiss opened this issue Jan 19, 2024 · 4 comments
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Confuing "l" glyph in Radon #183

tryoxiss opened this issue Jan 19, 2024 · 4 comments
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@tryoxiss
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The lowercase L (l) glyph in the Radnon (the handwritten one) looks a lot more like a "z" glyph. While visually distinct when directly compared, it takes considerable extra mental energy -- and even keeping it on my mind I often confuse them.

Take this example: which one is correct?
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You could probably figure it out, but it took thought. The role of a code font is to be clear and distinct, and I do not believe this glyph accomplishes that goal. Its a shame, considering that handwritten fonts have the most leaniancy for having distinct glyphs.

l L
z Z
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Suggestions:

  • Replace the lowercase L with a new form entirely.
  • Add an alternate glyph, either as the new default (ideal, given pourpose) with the option to swap to the old one for those who prefer. I would understand though if the new glyph is the alternate.

Possible isual changes:

  • The glyph has a notable slant right on its ascent, simply anchoring the top of the line to somewhere higher up and removing the top serif[?] would likely be good enough, and this is a baseline change for all modifications. It could even be kept to a small extend, leaving the serif[?] much smaller.

  • A squiggle could be added to fill extra space, as needed. This is commonly found throughout many glyphs in the font, as shown.
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  • Addtionally replacing the bottom with a shorter line, simillar to what is seen in fonts like Nunito could be an option. This would help further differentiate from the 'z' shape, to some small extend.

@Finii
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Finii commented Feb 2, 2024

Maybe also this could help, but that is all depending on taste

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Edit: Typo

@tryoxiss
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tryoxiss commented Feb 3, 2024

Maybe also this could help, but that is all depending on taste

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Edit: Typo

The dashed Z defintely helps when they are nexrt to each other, but does not solve the underlying issue. Overall a good tweak though!

@adsr303
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adsr303 commented Mar 22, 2024

The dashed Z could be confused with the alternate form of Polish letter Ż. Admittedly, the use of this variant is mostly restricted to graphic novels (but Monaspace Radon is an excellent candidate for use in graphic novels😄).

One possible approach would be to use something similar to the "ell" form with a loop:

@idan idan added this to the 1.2 milestone May 1, 2024
@skogshjort
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skogshjort commented Oct 9, 2024

Hi!

I just wanted to add that for me the l is also one of the few glyphs that sticks out for me, breaking the flow. Something about the size, large curviness or slant makes it seem a bit off from the others.

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glyph sticks out


more slanted than other glyphs (could this be adding to the Z confusion?)


I don't have the right language to express, so I'm hoping you can bridge the gap with your expertise :-)

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