[Feature Request]: Add Philippines (PH) - AS923-3 (915-918 Mhz) LoRa Region Setting #4948
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Unfortunately LoRa Alliance often has bad information. From the gov agency in charge of regulations in the Philippines (NTC):
Same docs below are referenced in other responses about LoRa: There's also an unanswered request specific to AS923-3 availability: |
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Ok, thus "03-06-2017" Memorandum applies and confirms the actual LoRa frequency allocation, should we have a PH region setting or we would simply use EU868 ? 868.000-868.600 (25 mW erp)
Other findings: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOBZkBINjlM
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yes, PH would need it's own unique region. |
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Open and unprotected radio frequency bands in the Philippines MC-03-08-2013 https://region7.ntc.gov.ph/images/LawsRulesAndRegulations/MC/WDN/MC_03-08-2013.pdf
Edit: Also there are registration fees for indoor equipment and annual fees for outdoor equipment Indoor: P50 (MC-03-08-2013 Section 6.1)
Outdoor: P500 (MC-09-09-2003 Section 6.3.1)
MC's and MO's |
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Yes, so these regulations in paper were superseded by the later publication - https://github.com/meshtastic/firmware/files/12506777/MC-03-06-2017.pdf yet the helium roll-out using AS923-3 |
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maybe @beegee-tokyo has some insight into this? |
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All I know is that AS923-3 is the ISM band for Philippines and no-one is paying any fee for devices (beside of the fact that 50PHP and 500PHP are really not much money). |
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Hi @markbirss, Good day does MC-03-06-2017.pdf do supersede MC-03-08-2013? because it only mentioned "Non-specific SRD,telemetry ... etc" while 915-918MHz mentioned in MC_09-09-2003 in is under H(I/Y)PERLAN/RLAN or Wireless data networks. MC-01-02-2013. Regards, Jeff |
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Where abouts are you based in PH ? it could/would help if you could follow up with the relevant bodies mentioned in the documents, I only visited Nov 2023 and hoped to have some finality then but could not get it. The legal Helium use according to these documents has not been published everywhere else Regarding a purchase as long as you buy a High Freq Device (868-923) device you should not have issue setting it up in that range one the preset is corrected. (might need to swap out antenna from 868 to 915-923) |
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hi @markbirss , Thanks for the advice and tips on the device, yes I'm in PH let me see what I can do to get a formal stance of NTC on AS932-3. Regards, |
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Looked into this in depth. So there are two different categories of regulated frequency that are applicable to us. These have a basis circular that modifies the National Radio Frequency Allocation Table (NRFAT) and then circulars that amend the basis. Low Power Equipment Resulting relevant frequencies being:
A device approved by the NTC (with the manufacturer/importer/retailer paying a modest one-time fee to obtain a certificate of registration) is required. Wireless Data Network Services (WDN) WDN devices are in these relevant "open and unprotected" frequencies:
The regulations break devices down into
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There are three different frequencies available for Meshtastic in the Philippines, each with pros and cons: 433 - 434.7 MHz <10 mW erp 868 - 869.4 MHz <25 mW erp 915 - 918 MHz <250 mW EIRP, no external antennna allowed Philippines may also use LORA_24 unrestricted at up to 10mW, or up to 250mW if there is no external antennna. Frequency rules in the Philippines are determined by aggregating the information in laws, following the circulars referenced in the [National Radio Frequency Allocation Table (NRFAT)](https://ntc.gov.ph/wp-content/uploads/2022/frequencyallocations/NRFAT_Rev_2020.pdf) and then circulars that amend the circulars referenced in the NRFAT. A full description of the regulatory basis can be found in the github issue: meshtastic#4948 (comment) For 433MHz and 868MHz we refer to the Low Power Equipment rules for "Non-specific Short Range Devices, Telemetry, Telecommand, Alarms, Data In General and Other Similar Applications.". For 915MHz and Wireless Data Network Services indoor device rules. A device approved by the NTC is required for any use of Meshtastic in the Philippines. fixes meshtastic#4948
There are three different frequencies available for Meshtastic in the Philippines, each with pros and cons: 433 - 434.7 MHz <10 mW erp 868 - 869.4 MHz <25 mW erp 915 - 918 MHz <250 mW EIRP, no external antennna allowed Philippines may also use LORA_24 unrestricted at up to 10mW, or up to 250mW if there is no external antennna. Frequency rules in the Philippines are determined by aggregating the information in laws, following the circulars referenced in the [National Radio Frequency Allocation Table (NRFAT)](https://ntc.gov.ph/wp-content/uploads/2022/frequencyallocations/NRFAT_Rev_2020.pdf) and then circulars that amend the circulars referenced in the NRFAT. A full description of the regulatory basis can be found in the github issue: meshtastic#4948 (comment) For 433MHz and 868MHz we refer to the Low Power Equipment rules for "Non-specific Short Range Devices, Telemetry, Telecommand, Alarms, Data In General and Other Similar Applications.". For 915MHz and Wireless Data Network Services indoor device rules. A device approved by the NTC is required for any use of Meshtastic in the Philippines. fixes meshtastic#4948
There are three different frequencies available for Meshtastic in the Philippines, each with pros and cons: 433 - 434.7 MHz <10 mW erp 868 - 869.4 MHz <25 mW erp 915 - 918 MHz <250 mW EIRP, no external antennna allowed Philippines may also use LORA_24 unrestricted at up to 10mW, or up to 250mW if there is no external antennna. Frequency rules in the Philippines are determined by aggregating the information in laws, following the circulars referenced in the [National Radio Frequency Allocation Table (NRFAT)](https://ntc.gov.ph/wp-content/uploads/2022/frequencyallocations/NRFAT_Rev_2020.pdf) and then circulars that amend the circulars referenced in the NRFAT. A full description of the regulatory basis can be found in the github issue: meshtastic#4948 (comment) For 433MHz and 868MHz we refer to the Low Power Equipment rules for "Non-specific Short Range Devices, Telemetry, Telecommand, Alarms, Data In General and Other Similar Applications.". For 915MHz and Wireless Data Network Services indoor device rules. A device approved by the NTC is required for any use of Meshtastic in the Philippines. fixes meshtastic#4948
There are three different frequencies available for Meshtastic in the Philippines, each with pros and cons: 433 - 434.7 MHz <10 mW erp 868 - 869.4 MHz <25 mW erp 915 - 918 MHz <250 mW EIRP, no external antennna allowed Philippines may also use LORA_24 unrestricted at up to 10mW, or up to 250mW if there is no external antennna. Frequency rules in the Philippines are determined by aggregating the information in laws, following the circulars referenced in the [National Radio Frequency Allocation Table (NRFAT)](https://ntc.gov.ph/wp-content/uploads/2022/frequencyallocations/NRFAT_Rev_2020.pdf) and then circulars that amend the circulars referenced in the NRFAT. A full description of the regulatory basis can be found in the github issue: #4948 (comment) For 433MHz and 868MHz we refer to the Low Power Equipment rules for "Non-specific Short Range Devices, Telemetry, Telecommand, Alarms, Data In General and Other Similar Applications.". For 915MHz and Wireless Data Network Services indoor device rules. A device approved by the NTC is required for any use of Meshtastic in the Philippines. fixes #4948 Co-authored-by: Ben Meadors <[email protected]>
Platform
ESP32
Description
There is currently no region setting for Philippines (PH) using AS923-3 (915-918 Mhz, 25mW)
https://www.reddit.com/r/HeliumNetwork/comments/m8ljdd/anyone_running_a_hotspot_in_the_philippines/
The 434/868 Mhz frequencies are not free
https://lora-alliance.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/RP-2-1.0.3.pdf
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